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Ken Burch wrote:
What does concern me is simply the dismissive tone you take here about activists and about the very idea of transformative political work, and your belief that you and you alone care about or relate to "low-information voters".???

Misrepresenting someone's views and commenting on what you perceive to be their attitude?is personal. I treat people as they treat me. I have repeatedly stated that I consider all social progress? to date to be due to activists. Something you choose to ignore. Activists work best outside of politics. If the environmental movement endorsed a political party, even the Greens, it would weaken the movement.?

Ken Burch wrote:
?and your belief that you and you alone care about or relate to "low-information voters".???

Wrong again. It isn't about caring it's about gaining the support of. If the left as a whole were relating to low information voters (most last minute swing votes) they would be winning more elections.?

Ken Burch wrote:
?veryone on the Left is on the side of the ordinary working class folks you appear to have a special understanding of.? A lot of us ARE ordinary working class folks.??

You are not a low-information voter. If?it is the left who cares about the working class while the right exploits them given the results?I'd say the left has a severe communication problem.?

Ken Burch wrote:
??open to the possibility that the rest of us might also have some awareness of normal, daily life-that we are just as much part of ordinary daily life as you are.?

Most? people are part of ordinary daily life and come into contact?with people from all walks of life. That doesn't mean they relate equally well to all of them. I would say that is very rare.?

Ken Burch wrote:
?I'm choosing to take a couple of weeks to avoid responding to your posts,??

In case you are puzzled?it is our last exchange that so offends me. The last word in this exchange is yours if you want it. After that I hope you never respond directly to my posts and in return?I will refrain from?responding to yours.?

If you disagree with any ideas or arguments in my posts it is possible to?express your perspective on whatever issue it is without referring directly or otherwise to my post or me if you so choose.?

NDPP

SAIA York

https://twitter.com/SaiaYork/status/1045045880208920582

"...As for Garrison and Murray Rankin, a party such as the NDP that claims to be progressive shouldn't have MPs being 'friends' with pro-Israel lobby groups."

?Apartheid-Zionism is racism. Perhaps they're not progressive.

Sean in Ottawa

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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This is correctly on the party. They caused both failures with the same long-lame-duck period.

Could some other potential leader have led the NDP to glorious victory?

REB?

Ashton?

I get the feeling sometimes that "honest criticism" of the party leader is just just one more swipe on behalf of those who weren't elected leader.? It's easy to say "they'd have been better/preferable/more popular" when there's no way to reasonably say whether they'd have been better/preferable/more popular.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if only everyone had voted like I did!? We could have a REAL LEADER!!!"

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. Seems like you are agreeing.

No, I do not think this is the fault of the leaders. No, I am not convinced that someone else would have done way better on this point -- although it is possible that one with specific knowledge may have. It is also possible that Singh with a better briefing, quicker leadership race would also have done better.

It is also not clear yet how exactly Singh will do. It is also possible that things may turn in the election. I am not happt with where things are but I am not ready to declare Singh defeated.

Leaders should have more support. To blame them for lack of knowledge that should be in the party and shared with them is not reasonable.